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I did my in depth research online and stumbled across a gentlemen named Bert Middleton. (The Gout Killer)
His website and videos say that alkaline water was one of the main cures to solving his gout attacks. Among proper diet and exercise. He also mentioned he stopped taking allopurinol, etc.
Can anyone in Goutpal.com confirm me that alkalized food and water can be a beneficial replacement for uricosuric drugs?
Sincerely, Vincent
Drinking alkaline water does not affect blood ph, blood is regulated to stay within the range 7.35 – 7.45.?
Alkalizing diets are very confusing because few people understand the process, opening the doors for charlatans to make money promoting unnecessary products.
An alkalizing diet (or intake of a bicarb such as baking soda or similar) helps gout sufferers who are at risk of developing kidney stones, especially those taking probenecid or other uricosuric. This is because the pH of urine can be raised, but not, as esabogal points out, the pH of blood. On that point, there may be a benefit of moving from 7.35 to 7.45 as even a small movement can affect uric acid solubility, but this is mere speculation (unless anyone knows about relevant studies).
You cannot fix a bad diet with a few scoops of water, but I'm happy to help advise anyone who wants to plan their own alkalizing diet.
Keith (Gout Admin) said:
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You cannot fix a bad diet with a few scoops of water, but I'm happy to help advise anyone who wants to plan their own alkalizing diet.
No, you can't, however, since we are supposed to drink lots of water, why not alkalized water? That's why I add 20 drops of KOH to my water (1 gal) before drinking it. I know, it has raised my bodily (urine and saliva) pH's by .5 to 1 point. ?
I've tried to find out about KOH, and I'm assuming this is the chemical symbol for potassium hydroxide. All I can find out about that are danger warnings. I'm feeling a bit lost here. Am I on the right track, Hans? If so, please can you explain a litle more about this, as all I see is trouble.
That's why I add 20 drops of KOH to my water (1 gal) before drinking it. I know, it has raised my bodily (urine and saliva) pH's by .5 to 1 point.??
What was the strength of the KOH solution?you put into the water as drops. I ask because I know that pure KOH is a solid so?to use drops it must be a water solution.
Where did you buy it?
(I know that LYE (NaOH) is easy to find but I have never seen KOH even in a big hardware store.)
Keith (Gout Admin) said:
I've tried to find out about KOH, and I'm assuming this is the chemical symbol for potassium hydroxide. All I can find out about that are danger warnings. I'm feeling a bit lost here. Am I on the right track, Hans? If so, please can you explain a litle more about this, as all I see is trouble.
I'll explain in my reply to Zip.
zip2play said:
That's why I add 20 drops of KOH to my water (1 gal) before drinking it. I know, it has raised my bodily (urine and saliva) pH's by .5 to 1 point.
What was the strength of the KOH solution?you put into the water as drops. I ask because I know that pure KOH is a solid so?to use drops it must be a water solution.
Where did you buy it?
(I know that LYE (NaOH) is easy to find but I have never seen KOH even in a big hardware store.)
As I have said so many times: Stupidity has to be paid for (as well as poor English grammar) and I am paying. I had answered everyone yesterday and ONE stupid touch of one of my fingers, and OUCH!!!, it was gone for good.
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I have been suffering through my current flare up for 2 months. Previously my last flare up was two years ago but I subsequently reduced my weight 70lbs through diet and exercise and I was able to eat all kinds of foods ago. Anyways I gained the 40lbs back in the last 7 months and gout came back with ferocity. Its been two months since this attack and I made dietary changes and lost a few pounds (didn’t want to loose to much then the gout make flare up again) but the gout has been lingering. Not nearly as painful as the first 2 weeks but I am limited still in my activity.
In the last week I have been able to walk more so I went to the grocery store and I noticed they had alkaline water bottled so i bought it remembering it was believed to help people reduce the acidity in their body (ie uric acid). I quickly drank the bottle because it was hot and in an hour my gouty arthritis was gone but it was replaced with water on the knee. It seems it liquefied the crystals and now I just have a really stiff knee but the sheering pain of uric acid crystals is gone. I can manage the water on the knee and i’v’e been drinking tons of regular water in hopes to flush the uric acid out. In any event I suggest if you have a flare up to drink some alkaline water, it wont cure you but it will eliminate the pain of the crystals. On Monday I’m going to the Russian spa, going to the spa has given me a lot more mobility and since the gout has liquefied I am hoping it will completely eliminate the excess uric acid (remember to drink a ton of water if you use sauna because your body needs to be replenished with water while your sweating it out) . I’ll try to update this thread if theres further interest but I feel I have embarked on a potential treatment.1. dietary change 2. alkaline water to reduce acidity 3. spa/suana to losen up and expel the toxins/ acid
So, it’s nearly 5 years since someone mentioned Bert Middleton, aka “The Gout Killer” and his infamous views on alkaline water and other snake oil.
I really can’t believe how much money that guy must be making! I wish I was half as good at marketing.
Anyway, who needs all that money? I’d rather have hundreds of readers who control gout safely.
If anyone wants to save money, why not discuss these over-hyped “cures” before you buy them? I’m happy to give you an objective view on any form of gout treatment. And I will never charge you for advice (unless you really insist on giving me money!).
You can continue to discuss alkaline water here, or any other snake-oil that you want me to review. However, I would prefer if you post your messages in my new gout forum.
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